Monday, September 22, 2008

Rosh Hashanah 4:10 part 2

Mishnah

If one blew the first blast and continued it in to the 2nd for the length of the 2nd, he has not fulfilled his obligation but for 1 of the blasts.

Yerushalmi

Rebbi Abba bar-Zamina in the name of Rebbi Zeira said: He hasn't even done 1. Why? Because the end of the first one has mixed in with the beginning of the next one, and we end up that the first one has no ending and the second one has no beginning.

Bavli (34b)

Rebbi Yochanan says: If one heard (the) 9 blasts (Tekiah, Teruah, Tekiah repeated 3 times) over the course of 9 (different) hours (or any other long period of time), he has fulfilled his obligation.

And there is a Baraita that says the same: If one heard the 9 blasts at 9 hours of the day, he has fulfilled his obligation. (If one hears) from 9 people at once, [he didn't fulfill his obligation]. A Tekiah from one, a Teruah from the next, he has fulfilled his obligation, even if they are not immediately after each other, and even if it is over the course of the entire day.

Is this really Rebbi Yochanan's opinion? For we have that Rebbi Yochanan says in the name of Rebbi Shimon ben-Yehotsadak: Regarding Hallel and Megillah, if one paused long enough to have finished the entire thing, he must return to the beginning.

This is not a problem, one (of these sayings) is Rebbi Yochanan's opinion, the other is that of his rabbi.

But is that really his opinion? For we have a case where Rebbi Abavu was going after Rebbi Yochanan and he was saying Kriat Shema, and when he got to a dirty alley, he would pause, and after he left, he asked (Rebbi Yochanan) if he should continue. He (Rebbi Yochanan) replied to him: If you paused long enough to finish, return to the beginning.

But really, this is what he said to him: According to my opinion, there is no need (to start over), but you (who disagree with me, and are of the opinion that a pause is problematic, and you are asking me how long of a pause is a problem, the answer is that) if you paused long enough to finish (from the point that you left off), you must return to the beginning.

The rabbis have taught: The Tekiot don't hold up each other (other Tekiot, like on a public fast), and the Brachot don't hold up each other (other brachot that come in a group, if for some reason we cannot do one, then we can still do the others). Tekiot with Brachot of Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur (presumably of Yovel) hold up each other.

What is the reason?

Rabbah says: HaKadosh Baruch Hu said: They said before me on Rosh Hashanah Malchuyot, Zichronot, and Shofarot. Malchuyot to make me King upon them, Zichronot in order that their memories should come before me for good, and with what? With a Shofar.

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